Meanwhile, at the Legion of Dumb

Note: Much of this stems from debate surrounding a Confederate Flag issue at Beauvoir; the postwar home of Jefferson Davis.

In response to Al Mackey, Connie Chastain tells us why the Confederate Battle Flag (CBF) is connected to President Jefferson Davis.

At Levin’s flog, Al Mackey sez the battle flag doesn’t belong because it was the soldiers’ flag, not the flag of the Confederate government… Howsomever, the Confederate Constitution sez, “Sec. 2. (I) The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the Confederate States, and of the militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the Confederate States….”

As the Commander in Chief of the soldiers and sailors of the Confederacy, the battle flag was as much his as it was theirs.

I must say this is a new development from Connie Chastain. I was always under the impression that the CBF is the “soldiers flag.” A flag with a strong line of demarcation between it and the 1st, 2nd or 3rd, National Flag. You know, because the national flag is a legitimate representation of a pseudo-government that seceded and fought to protect slavery. Whereas the CBF can be passed off as only the soldier’s flag, therefore not racist. At least, that’s what Susan Hathaway lead me to believe.

The flag that was raised alongside I-95 near the Old Bermuda Hundred overpass is the 3rd Bunting Issue of the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, not the Stars and Bars as stated. The Stars and Bars was the name for the first national flag of the Confederacy, created in 1861, but later discontinued. The battle flag was used throughout the war and it was the flag of the Confederate soldier. The Confederate battle flag used at this location is historically accurate to honor the Confederate soldiers engaged in this area during the Bermuda Hundred Campaign.

Further, the statements made before, during and since the raising of the Chester I-95 Memorial Flag by the Virginia Flaggers made our intent and purpose perfectly clear — to pay homage to those brave Confederate veterans, who fought and died to protect Virginia’s citizens and soil. 

No….no mention of Jefferson Davis. I think it is a ridiculous stretch to say that the CBF is as much Davis’s flag as it is the soldiers’ flag. I don’t recall stories of Davis leading troops into battle during the Civil War. Her comparison, if applied to today, would be like saying that this flag is as much President Obama’s as it is the United States Navy’s. I’m actually surprised at the lack of Southern Heritage folks objecting to Connie’s claim.  If a Connie dubbed “Flogger” uttered such a comment, it would certainly earn contempt from the Heritage crowd. What can one expect though? Objectivity? Yea right! Personally I like Connie’s description. It shines a light on the CBF that people often forget. The flag is connected to and representative of a Government that seceded and waged war to protect the peculiar institution. Thank you Connie Chastain for demonstrating that direct connection between soldier and President. Now can we please strop pretending the CBF is not racist?

13 thoughts on “Meanwhile, at the Legion of Dumb

  1. Why, bless her heart. Too bad she misquotes me in her haste to make a point. I said, “considering the battle flag is supposedly ‘the soldiers’ flag,’ according to the SCV,” Quite clearly I wasn’t saying it was the soldiers’ flag. I was simply reporting what the SCV claims. Too bad Connie couldn’t be honest about that.

      1. Note that our good friend George has been tossed from yet another blog. I think he’s down to one that I visit. I’m sure he and Connie and Jerry can all hang out together with their small audience and enjoy their self made echo chamber.

          1. It appears that Brooks has after the usual infamous Purvis refusal to accept primary sources as facts. You know, something that I’ve been considering for a bit comes up with this. For all the Lost Causers stubborn argument which usually consists of, “Slavery was not the cause of the Civil War. Prove it to me and I’ll show you what did cause the war,” they never follow up on that promise. Every once in a while we hear the old well beaten tariff excuse or the usual state’s rights argument, but they can’t list the state rights. They usually can’t say anything about the tariff once we point out when it was enacted and why. I keep seeing demands for a smoking gun of evidence, but they never provide anything concrete themselves.
            We supply them with all kinds of facts, but they just ignore them and keep making the same claim while giving no evidence. The few times they try, they reveal their lack of understanding the context of the period because they just pull a sentence or two from a document a la David Barton while ignoring the rest of the document itself which usually is a 180 from their claim. It comes as no surprise that George gets banned from the boards or that Connie is limited to a few posts because they have nothing to say.

    1. It is a soldier’s flag and no matter what you say you CAN’T change that.
      BTW you really need to read up on the war ALOT more.

      1. I never said the CBF was not the soldier’s flag. Also, I am pretty well versed in the historiography of the Civil War, but I could always use some more scholarship. Do you have any recommendations?

        Thanks for commenting.

      2. It’s really funny when someone who knows nothing about the Civil War tells others they need to read a lot more. If it’s a soldier’s flag, then it doesn’t represent Jefferson Davis and doesn’t belong on the house at Beauvoir at all, so the SCV is wrong again.

          1. I’m pretty sure I made that comparison above…

            Her comparison, if applied to today, would be like saying that this flag is as much President Obama’s as it is the United States Navy’s. (Note: the link for “this flag” is in the original post)

            Thanks for dropping by.

      3. Certainly it was the soldiers’ flag–soldiers of armies that fought to destroy the Union and establish a nation based first and foremost on white supremacy. So yeah, I’m ok with that.

  2. I have a pal at work who went to Grant’s Tomb for the ceremonies for his birthday, and met up with Ulysses G. Dietz, the general’s great-great-grandson, who speaks for the family at the annual event.

    Mr. Dietz had lunch a year ago with Jefferson Davis IV, who is having trouble with the “flaggers” at Beauvoir, who want to cover the building with the Stars and Bars, even though Davis lived there AFTER the Civil War, and had applied for clemency.

    Robert E. Lee IV is having similar problems with flaggers at his ancestor’s tomb at Washington and Lee University, even though Lee had split himself from the Confederacy, applied for his pardon, and even said he regretted ever gaining a military education — four years of slaughter had made him a pacifist, which often happens to combat veterans.

    “No great reliance is to be placed in young soldiers who have not seen battle. For war has something agreeable about it to those who are strangers to it.” Publius Vegetius, Epitoma rei militari

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